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Mike Burns

  • Dear Joe,                                Feb 29, 2012

    Your comments are the first show of common sense I have seen in this John Dickenson saga.

    Myself and my partner  designed and manufactured the Skiplane  1962 to 1970 and met JD long before he met Bill Moyes.  I sold  Bill Moyes his first wing.  Bill Bennett watched us develop the Skiplane long before he was aware of JD.   We took the facts printed in the press about Ryan Aircraft's work in flexible wings and developed from there.  I made the first  "Rogallo style wing" flight in Australia  in 62.  I had a business arrangement with JD which saw our wing fitted with his harness manufactured and sold by our aircraft company  "Aerostructures".   JD did not invent the wing. JD did not invent hang gliding. The wing was an evolution and Moyes and Bennett  put it into the public arena.


    Do you know the story of the Skiplane ??   

    Best Regards,
    Mike Burns
     
  • Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012

    Look to Wenham, Pilcher, Palmer, Burns, Prentice, John Worth, Charles Richard(s), Bensen, Horten Brothers, Rogallo, Hobson, Effinger, the first 1900 decade French, Breslau in first decade, and much more. The type aircraft was was invented prior to JD. The personal love affair of GH for JD and the short-view of KdR following puts forward now thousands of facts to encapsulate a fundamental invention lie. Apparently it is not enough to simply tell facts that are interesting, as a huge non-sequitor follows that pushes unfair credit further and further. The GH passion for a man has been embedding a mechanical invention lie that may fool many, except those who know aviation history aside of the GH passion. Wishing all the best in the struggle. It is hoped that comprehensive objective historians will take up the banner to correct the huge tilt thrusted by GH. The FAI and USHPA now embed some important falsities from the GH thrust that invite corrections. The personal experience in 1972 or so of KdR does not hold the large aviation view needed for the corrections. Weight-shift control with triangle control frame stayed by cables with hung pilot behind hung in sail-battened HG in many forms was prior in use. And the significance thrust of the Rogallo-Palmer-Miller-SSA and-S-SA brought the world-around bed that the two Bills flopped into for forwarding; this is aside of the mechanical invention; be aware to explore the difference of mechanical invention and purchase-play-participation flow. Watch the non-sequitors throughout the GH thrust. Digging out from the tilt will take concerted effort by those who care and those who still have energy for such.
    JoeF
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  • vJan. 16, 2012, note to Mike:  Hi Mike,
    Wishing you and yours a great 2013.

    Tony and I are aiming to have a good timeline on John Revelle.
    It is part of the broader project of identifying the progress of kiting/gliding in Australia.
    Any notes from you would be welcome.
    Date of purchase of a machine from you would be neat.

    Do you know anything of an Indonesian ski-kite that featured the bi-conical airfoil in mid 1950s?

    Any models and tests in 1962 by you and your partner towards getting the SkiPlane ready
    would be nice notes. Scale kites? Scale gliders? Any photos of activity in 1962?

    How did you decide to have the triangle control frame beneath the wing? Any notes on that
    process and evolution would be most welcome. Did you sketch the cockpit queenposts?
    Did you have modeling or drawings without the floats?

    We have the Sky Sports [ [ ] Verify proper spelling of the magazine] article of late 1960s that features your work. Yet there is an ache
    for more of the steps you took in 1962.

    Tony is top-drawer hang glider historian. At age 13 in 1960 with reference only to toy kites
    and some early gliding history, he made a hybrid bi-conical hang glider and explored it in the winds.
    Eventually he made many versions of hang gliders and has taught scores and more of people to fly.
    He remains today a hang glider pilot, an ultralight pilot, and a regular introducer-to-aviation leader
    to youths. High background in scouts. We have collaborated in sorting hang glider history issues
    for many years. The GH text has been the with high attention, as he yells so many untenable statements
    blanketed with facts; the sort task is extensive.

    Thank you for any moments,
    Lift,
    Joe
    CC: Tony Prentice
  • Mike Burns
    Feb 29, 2012
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    G,day Joe,

     
    Your comments are the first show of common sense I have seen in this John Dickenson saga. 
     
    Myself and my partner designed and manufactured the Skiplane  1962 to 1970 and met JD long before he met Bill Moyes.  I sold Bill Moyes his first wing.  Bill Bennett watched us develop the Skiplane long before he was aware of JD.   We took the facts printed in the press about Ryan Aircraft's work in flexible wings and developed from there.  I made the first  "Rogallo style wing" flight in Australia  in 1962.  I had a business arrangement with JD which saw our wing fitted with his harness manufactured and sold by our aircraft company  "Aerostructures".   JD did not invent the wing. JD did not invent hang gliding. The wing was an evolution and Moyes and Bennett  put it into the public arena.
     
    Do you know the story of the Skiplane ??     
     
    Best RegardsMike Burns0438742914Please use this new email address for replies--- Editor@UpperWindpower.com wrote:From: Joe Faust <Editor@UpperWindpower.com>To: undisclosed-recipients:;Subject: Way full of falsitiesDate: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:39:09 -0800Look to Wenham, Pilcher, Palmer, Burns, Prentice, John Worth, Charles Richard (s), Bensen, Horten Brothers, Rogallo, Hobson, Effinger, the first 1900 decade French, Breslau in first decade, and much more.  The type aircraft was was invented prior to JD.  The personal love affair of GH for JD and the short-view of KdR following puts forward now thousands of facts to encapsulate a fundamental invention lie.   Apparently it is not enough to simply tell facts that are interesting, as a huge non-sequitor follows that pushes unfair credit further and further.  The GH passion for a man has been embedding a mechanical invention lie that may fool many, except those who know aviation history aside of the GH passion.  Wishing all the best in the struggle. It is hoped that comprehensive objective historians will take up the banner to correct the huge tilt thrusted by GH.  The FAI and USHPA now embed some important falsities from the GH thrust that invite corrections.  The personal experience in 1972 or so of KdR does not hold the large aviation view needed for the corrections.  Weight-shift control with triangle control frame stayed by cables with hung pilot behind hung in sail-battened HG in many forms was prior in use.  And the significance thrust of the Rogallo-Palmer-Miller-SSAand- S-SA brought the world-around bed that the two Bills flopped into for forwarding; this is aside of the mechanical invention; be aware to explore the difference of mechanical invention and purchase-play-participation flow.  Watch the non-sequitors throughout the GH thrust.  Digging out from the tilt will take concerted effort by those who care and those who still have energy for such. 
    JoeF
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    June 21, 2012
    Hi Mike
       Soooo glad to finally make contact with you; I made efforts years ago, but it seemed GH was hiding you and information.  
     
    My Skiplane information is much less than what I wish it to be. I will publish any and all detail and image and drawing of the entire Skiplane history; all, if you will supply.  GH seems to prevent others from showing the one Skiplane photo that he shows in the JD site in a way that makes the reader think that the Skiplane belongs to the JD credits; a deep misdirection!   I hope that you have images of Skiplane that I may use to help tell the story of the Skiplane.   Any letter, file, paper title, model, prototyping images, detail images, plans, showings...all.., newspaper clips, people who saw Skiplane, etc. ...anything. I am totally interested in getting the details out. Dates, times, places, of discussions with others, meetings, suppliers, measurements, cable specifications, pontoon specifications, progress from first thought to end, etc. 
         I have ached that the Skiplane story be rich and available, but GH seemed to have you in his back pocket....; and I could not quite accept that, as I have seen your sailplane pursuits in part and the integrity of such and such did not harmonize with the coarse style that GH as done to thrust as many as ten severe untenable overclaims, not the least of which "invention" of weight-shift control (which, of course Cayley knew about in first decade of 1800s for gliders.   Mike, in a gliding club in Breslau in 1908, there was the A-frame triangle control frame cable braced with payload-pilot hung from keel behind the held triangle control frame; such frame. 
     
    We have JD in early point declaring he saw a Ryan stiffened Rogallo, but GH seems later to have talked JD into reversing an early written declaration in order to try to get the story tilted to a seeing of only a limp-unstiffened Rogallo wing.  Etc. GH has a huge project to decorate aerodynamic overclaims with other general hang gliding facts in hopes that the interpretive overclaims win the readers' attention and assent; and he has threatened death and legal pursuits in his yelling all the way to getting untenables published on diploma and certificate.      The robust fullness of the Skiplane is buried and set for misdirection in the GH text; sad.  
     
    Here is what I do have on Skiplane: 
    1. One 1989 review article in SKY SPORTS, page 39, 40, 41, 42, and 43. "The SKIPLANE, DELTA GLIDER OF THE 1960'S.      Paper photo copy, not great quality, and no one to ask to get permission to republish.   And I do not know how many factual errors are in that 1989 review article
     
    2. One photograph digital that GH seems to guard with copyright hammer... of the Skiplane flying apparently simply over (and not using) the ramp:
     photo  
     I wish from you or yours same or/and other photos.  Do you have standing to give me permission to publish even the shown-here photo?  I do not want to link into GH's JD-is-center-of-universe site.  I have room for 100 photos and more related to your story, if I can get hold of such. 
     
    3. There is some note about JD handing you a legal cease and desist note; your story on that matter would be great to publish.   Our take is that mechanically the action would be laughable, as nothing in the JD arrangement was mechanical global invention; and you had priority in Australia on the mechanical product showing of appearance for the wing and control method; JD simply dropping pontoons had already been done in hang gliding for over a 100 years; our take is that his action was without any merit. And I guess you told him so. But details would be great.   History should know. 
     
    4. The FAI, HGFA, USHPA have been deeply yelled at and pushed to have statements that hold severe overclaim; correction of those items probably won't be installed directly. But history still has a chance for voice.  A full robust story over Skiplane would be part of the overall correction. 
     
    My sites of publishing are several, and I have reserved room in each for Skiplane story.  
    http://www.energykitesystems.net/hgh/to.html  Timeline, ever under growth ....
     
    Game matters: 
    • Recollections. 
    • Letters
    • Drawings
    • Photographs
    • Video
    • Newspaper clippings
    • Description of reports reviewed. 
    • Any person involved in the project ... 
    • Description of any models made. Date, time. Images, if possible. 
    • Challenges and how you and your team met the challenges. 
    • First pilots. 
    • First passenger and date. 
    • Hangaring of Skiplane? 
    • Showings where and when, especially prior to Sept 1963. 
    • Meeting Bill Moyes date. 
    • Meeting of Bill Bennett date. 
    • ?
    Mike
    ... wishing you the best, 
    Lift, 

    Joe Faust

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    Mike Burns states about JD interface: 
     
    Well, we er first came across John Dickenson when he asked his solicitor 
    to send one of our customers a letter erm claiming that we had breached his provisional papers on the wing, er which we hadn't done, we had been flying a wing similar to this for some three years previously, but on a different type of machine.
    So when that   was clarified, we talked to John at great length and had a look at what he had produced here at Grafton, and decided we could add what he called the Skiwing to our production line of Skiplanes.
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  • Questions open on models and testing in 1962.   Email sent Jan 17, 2013
  • Indonesian Rogallo wing in mid 1950s on water ski kite.  Need more info.   News reel?  Station? Video.
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